Gideon Litchfield: I’m sure, if you haven’t already, you will. No, not at all, I think we’ll get a hydroponic organic psilocybin filled with handcrafted, ethically sourced chocolate harvested from the west-facing slopes of a certain mountain in Nicaragua, and will very expensive. And someone with a very arrogant mind who will stand in the store and explain to you which psilocybin you should be using – I have no doubt that this will happen. This is basically inevitable.
Lauren Goode: OK, so what happens? Do we stumble all day long?
Gideon Litchfield: We are all–
Lauren Goode: I can’t wait to cover the next AI conference, totally traveling.
Gideon Litchfield: I suspect that at any conference you attend, a significant percentage are already microdosing.
Lauren Goode: This is real.
Gideon Litchfield: I think we’ve gotten there.
Lauren Goode: How do you feel about this future?
Gideon Litchfield: I’m very excited about this future. I think most of us could probably benefit from some psychedelics in our lives. I think getting rid of some of the paranoia around it, helping people see them as therapy drugs, not party drugs, teaching them to use them safely and get through difficult times in their lives. I know this sounds arbitrary, but I honestly think the world would be a better place if more people did it.
Lauren Goode: I think for people who are suffering from real trauma, PTSD, and major depression, if there is another tool in their toolbox that allows them to face some of these issues safely, then I think it is Great. I also really like this idea of pivotal periods, I think we can all use a few more pivotal periods in our lives instead of being forever stuck at the belly button and thinking that life should just be one long creative channel, although that would be confusing Unbelievable. I think we have to have realistic expectations about it, but yeah, if it helps us live better, be happier, and spend more meaningful time with those around us, then you know what, we all Should be an octopus.
Gideon Litchfield: We should all be octopuses. That’s our program for today. If you want to learn more about Gül Dölen’s work during this pivotal period, you can read Rachel Nuwer’s story about her in WIRED, a link to which is provided in the episode description.
Lauren Goode: Thank you for listening. wish you a bright future Moderated by me, Lauren Goode.
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Gideon Litchfield: wish you a bright future Condé Nast Entertainment produced it, Danielle Hewitt of Prologue Projects produced it, our assistant producer was Arlene Arevalo, with production assistance and engineering by Benjamin Frisch.
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