I guess I want to make two other points on this because I think we want more people to use these tools because we want to demystify them and we want these tools to be more responsible, the makers of these tools, that’s going to continue me Think the teaching and learning relationship that all of your guests talked about, really addressing these issues because that can also promote or diminish equity and access to education. The last thing is what we want, I guess I say we are an educational community, and as an educated community, we want people to ask better questions. We want students to really dig deep. We want teachers to deepen their inquiry. And I think only good things come from people asking better questions, more questions. And I think, both from an ethical standpoint of who has access, and also from a standpoint of how we use these tools, I think it’s going to help us shape and agitate in a productive way.
Celeste Headley: Yes. I’m wondering, Pia, because maybe the solution is to use the Salcon method, Salcon from Khan Academy, where you do homework and do homework in class. Jeff emailed us and said, “Maybe the English teacher should do all the papers in class. I’ve always hated the idea of homework. It’s not necessary.” You think something like ChatGPT will reopen about homework long debate?
Ceres: Oh, of course. I think it will certainly upend our notions of what is the best use of time in class and what is the best use of time outside of class for learning? So I think, going back to what Daniel was saying earlier, I’m seeing teachers trying more to change the format of multimodal learning, making better use of classroom writing time or showing learning in other ways than writing, having conversations, drawing a A picture of something they read in class. So I definitely think there’s room for more creativity there.
Celeste Headley:Pia, we only have about 30 seconds left, but I was wondering, do you want journalists and journalists to start using ChatGPT to write their stories before the deadline?
Ceres: Don’t tell my editors this. No, I’m kidding.
Celeste Headley: I didn’t mention you. I’m just talking about people.
Ceres: I think it’s something every newsroom has to navigate on its own. We’re starting to talk about it on WIRED, but I think that’s yet to be seen and will be developed by newsrooms.
Celeste Headley: interesting. That’s Pia Ceres, senior digital producer at WIRED, and Lalitha Vasudevan, professor of technology and education at Columbia University’s Teachers College. She is also the Faculty’s Associate Dean for Digital Innovation. Pia and Lalitha, thank you so much for joining us today, Norma tweeted, “I am the founding director of the Hispanic STEM and Parents Association dedicated to promoting STEM and computer science among Hispanic students in Northern Virginia. I am recommended ChatGPT to learn English.” We continue this series tomorrow with Know It All, 1A’s guide to AI with WIRED, discussing AI and healthcare. If you want to learn more about how technology is changing our lives, WIRED has a newsletter.it’s known fast forward Explore the latest advances in artificial intelligence and other technologies. You can sign up at WIRED.com/newsletter. Today’s producers are Chris Remington and Avery Jessa Chapnick. This show is from WAMU at Washington American University and is distributed by NPR. I’m Celeste Headley. We’ll talk more about that soon. This is 1A.
Lauren Goode: Hi, it’s Lauren again. Thanks for listening to this special. If you want to hear more of these conversations, you can find the entire Know It All series at the1a.org/series. It’s one of number one, so it’s the1a.org/series. Thanks to WAMU and NPR for using this episode. We’ll be back with our regular program next week. Until then, bye.
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